Perhaps you’ve heard the story of Jocelyn Nungaray. A 12 year old girl raped and murdered by illegal immigrants who hadn’t been in the USA for even a few months.
Reading through some social media posts, you’ll see various calls for multiple types of punishments, including, but not limited to; Woodchippers, ropes, “helicopter rides”, walking the plank, and other endless imaginative displays of human anger and emotion. I personally think public hanging is sufficient and humane enough. We could argue whether such criminals deserve humane punishments, but that’s neither here nor there. But I’ll see another type of argument:
I see this type of concept or argument being pushed on social media a lot, particularly in posts wherein the death penalty is called for. The line typically goes, “No, a quick painless death is a mercy, put them in general population, let them suffer the hard way!”
Example:
The hope or belief is that some Batman-esque criminal vigilante superhero will poke holes in the perpetrator. This is usually espoused in cases related to pedophilia and rape.
”Fade to Black, what do you know? How do you know?”
Because I was there. I was indicted by the IRS on white-collar financial crimes a little over a decade ago, and due to new laws (at the time) that were passed to combat identity theft, was given a 2-year mandatory prison sentence in a medium-security federal prison (previously, these types of cases were handled with a fine). I actually met and became friends with notorious hacker, Jeremy Hammond. Jeremy and I didn’t agree on just about anything politically, but we still became friends, due to our mutual interest in computers, linux, and cyber-security. I was a black hat, once, myself. Anyway…
I did my time. I learned a lot. I saw a lot. I experienced a lot.
Sure, whenever the pedos were discovered they were “ran off” or forced to “check in”, under threat of violence. The prisons don’t have enough room or resources to house all of these pedos and sex criminals in special units, typically, so they will try to “slip them in” to general population. Prisoners might be dumb, but they’re not stupid. They do their homework, and generally you are required to “show your paperwork” the day you walk in the door. Essentially: murder, drugs, theft, bank robberies - that shit’s cool, but if you’re a diddler, you gotta go.
I saw this happen multiple times. Guys would slip in, stay for about a week, and had a million excuses about why they couldn’t show their “paperwork” (records of indictment, sentencing, etc) - and they were forced to “check in.”
(Checking in refers to going up to a guard and telling them you are in fear for your life, and then they are forced to remove you from the area, and even the prison itself, and move you to a new location)
There was no ‘justice’ for them, there was leniency, if anything. If there was truly some sort of prison justice, they would allow them to stay, where they could then murder them. It just didn’t happen.
The entire idea of morally corrupt prisoners and criminals exacting justice on one another is preposterous in the first place. If anything, you’re more likely to get stabbed over your $8 dollar debt over a bag of coffee. Leading to my next point:
Let’s assume that an illegal immigrant named Jose Lopez rapes and murders a young white teen girl. Something that is happening quite often, now, in our country. Who will take justice in to their own hands, the whites, right?
Yeah, sorry, but that’s not how it works. Prisons are racially segregated. Politics are handled by each race’s “car” representative. The chief, head honcho, leader, whatever. Each chief consults with the chief of the other tribe, and that’s where the politics occur. It’s up to these chiefs to keep the “peace” between the races so that all-out war doesn’t break out, and the equilibrium isn’t upset.
Therefore, let’s say Aryan Willie is chief of the whites, and El Chapito is the chief of the hispanics. Even if Aryan Willie and his boys discover that the perp has entered their prison, he still has no right to touch Jose, it will be up to El Chapito on what to do with him. Most likely, El Chapito will simply “run him off” and force him to check in elsewhere, to keep the peace. So Jose will move from prison to prison until they find a nice cozy sex offender club for him to join. Where he will be comfortable amongst other people like himself. Jose will never suffer any real punishment. Jose will get three meals a day, a bed to sleep in, and he will get to play card games with his homies and joke about all the vicious rapes he’s committed, for the rest of his days, on the taxpayer’s dime. Unless, of course, he pisses someone off or owes someone money. That’s the #1 cause of homicide in the prison system. Owing money. Not the nature of your crime. No one cares, and no one has a right to judge another, because they’re all (for the most part) in there for doing something egregious or reprehensible themselves.
Let’s assume none of that happens, and El Chapito does allow Jose to remain. Let’s say Aryan Johnny takes it upon himself to go poke some holes in Jose one day on the yard.
What happens next? The chief of the whites will be forced to punish his own man, and if not, there will be an all-out race war. I witnessed something like this twice; and I’ll share the stories:
Story 1: One day apparently there was some beef over COFFEE debt between some hispanics and whites. If I remember correctly, the disputed total was $13. I can’t remember who was at fault, or if there was any fault, but nevertheless some dispute between two people of two different races led to the entire tribe of each race standing in the yard facing off. I was there, because I didn’t want to look like a coward for not “standing up for my race,” of course. That could have ruined my reputation, you know (something which is very important in prison politics). But I truly did not care, I thought the entire thing was ridiculous. So there we were, in the yard, having a literal mexican stand off. Just a lot of staring at the other side, some grumbling, some itching for action, while the “chiefs” hashed it out and figured out a solution. Everyone ready to kill each other over some random dude’s $13 debt.
Nothing happened, though. It was resolved. Next story:
Story 2: A very similar instance, once again, over COFFEE, but this actually occurred between the blacks and hispanics, and it actually did pop off, in the weight lifting area. I wasn’t there, and I didn’t witness it, but according to the eyewitnesses some “Eses” pulled out some pokey-pokey’s and started poking-poking some black dudes. Apparently they were jumping fences, running around being chased by the Eses, and just an all-out brawl on the yard. I happened to be in my cell, reading a book, that day. When they shut down the yard, the violence continued and some more incursions happened in another cell block, apparently with people running and jumping off the second floor to escape getting poked. Mayhem.
The whites didn’t have anything to do with it, but just like in the military, if one person fucks up, everyone suffers. They shut the entire prison down for about 2 months and we were forced to live inside our cells the entire time. It was tortorous. The cell was drenched in the stench of ballsacks and armpits. The celly and I, Danny, who were good friends, almost killed each other one day, and the food wasn’t up to our usual standards. Lots of salty and slimy PBJ’s. It sucked.
At some point, the powers-that-be determined that it was ‘safe’ for us to be released, and I guess the race war was over. The punishment was over-the-top, and a lot of us that had nothing to do with it were pissed. But that’s how the CO’s keep control. And that’s why the “chiefs” are in place to politic amongst themselves and prevent racial conflicts. Because no one wants to go in to lockdown. 24 hours a day in a 6 foot by 8 foot room with another full grown man. No thank you.
So you see, “prison justice” simply isn’t a thing. It may happen from time to time, and there are certainly cases I could point to, but it’s not as prevalent as you might think. Like I said, it’s an urban legend. Perhaps even ex-cons themselves may try to paint this picture to “scare you straight” or bolster their own egos as ‘tough guys’ for having survived a tough situation.
But let’s look at the data:
Homicide was the cause of 2% of state and nearly 3% of federal prison deaths.
versus the amount of sex offenders in federal prison:
”Currently, about 16,450 federal prisoners are incarcerated for sexual offenses. This equates to roughly 11.6 percent of the federal inmate population.”
It’s hard to get exact numbers from these institutions. I’m not a mathematician, but if 12% are pedos and rapists and we also assume that all of the 3% homicide rate is directed towards pedos and rapists, that’s still not very indicative of “prison justice.”
Here’s another interesting statistic which I believe sums up my point:
“State prisoners were less likely to die in 2018 (319 per 100,000 state prisoners) than were adult U.S. residents (those age 18 or older) (419 per 100,000 adult U.S. residents)”
You’re more likely to die or be murdered in the ‘free world’ than you are within the confines of prison walls. That’s simply an indisputable fact. These pedos and rapists that you claim will be dealt “prison justice” are more likely to die on the outside than they are on the inside. FACT.
Also, here’s another point to consider. It’s often the whites whom are most concerned with these types of crimes. The blacks and hispanics don’t seem to have the same moral qualms when it comes to raping and diddling. I hardly ever saw any blacks or hispanics get “run off” by their own kind, it was always the whites who were self-policing in this way. It’s quite simply a cultural difference that can’t be ignored. There’s no telling how many sex offenders were in the other “race cars”, and walked amongst us, because we simply had no “jurisdiction” in that area.
So, in conclusion;
1. “Prison Justice” for raping and diddling is simply an urban legend.
2. Even if it were enacted, it would be by a lone wolf, who would then be an outcast in his own tribe for breaking the ‘rules’.
3. Such a lone actor would be at risk himself, for causing a race war, or a lockdown, and then punishment would be exacted on him for causing the problem.
4. Prisoners and criminals look after their own kind, they aren’t looking to punish one another when they’re all in for equally reprehensible shit.
5. Even when this type of self-policing occurs in regards to sex criminals, it’s only the whites who are the ones doing it, the blacks and hispanics simply don’t care. “You raped a 13 year old white girl too? Join the club, homie!”
So, back to the death penalty. If that’s the punishment that you think is sufficient for the crime, then that is what you should advocate for. Not this myth or urban legend about “prison justice”.
That is all.
Absolutely - I follow several ex-con's channels to keep tabs on the justice system and the takeaway is that there isn't one. Men are confined and ruined for crimes against the regime, or for holding the wrong views, while actual predators are fed and housed and very often released to claim victims again.